MN GOP List Policy and alleged list abuse

The 400 MN GOP delegates should have the list of 400 delegates for social networking and the decision process. That should be an agenda item at the MNGOP State Central Meeting June 13 at the Earle Brown Heritage Center 6155 Earle Brown Drive Brooklyn Center http://www.earlebrown.com/.
Directions here: http://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=N3Z1NGIzNzFmM3Ixa3BpOGl1OTQ3dGxiaWsgc2Q0NW1uQG0.
At another level of data privacy, the 4-7 thousand BPOU officers should also be able to communicate by email with the 400 delegates before the SCC convention. That also should be on the agenda as a separate item as well as any other levels contemplated.

I'm 65B VC with John as Chair.
Although I think 65B Chair John Gilmore was wrong to release MNGOP emails to the internet without consulting at least one other 65B officer (me), I agree with all his points in his comment below. It is mystifying why Nate Hansen chooses to use childish rhetoric against John and other old guard Neo Con Republicans. But it is also mystifying why John strongly accuses fellow Old Guard republicans who are simply maintaining a data privacy policy in addition to possibly mis-using that same data. There may be more to this story.

Here is Gilmore's blog:
http://conservativeminnesotans.blogspot.com/2009/05/mission-accomplished.html

May 30, 2009 12:46 AM Malzacher/Gilmore said... Ah, a Kool-Aid drinker post at last. MC can't believe its good fortune in being called BOTH neoconservative (read Jews!) and communists. This post has made our day.
We are a target because we have been labeled Neocons. And Dr. Paul doesn't like them; ergo his supporters (or some) don't either. MC admits life can be easier when someone else does your thinking for you. Yes yes, we know, we've heard it all before: we outsourced ours to Richard Perle, Bill Kristol, and the rest of the Jewish cabal.
We tire of Ron Paul (so wrong on Iraq) and *some* of his followers even though we were supportive of them having a voice and presence in the party, both at the state convention as well as national. Inclusion does not mean agreement. It does mean a healthy but respectful debate over ideas.
Sadly, our friend Nate makes his debut comment here by calling us names. It is not condescension on our part when we say we simply don't have time for such childishness.
Substantively, the email list previously posted here has NEVER been treated in a manner consistent with a trade secret. Nate surely must know that it has been used by current party leadership to favor allies and punish critics.
He never addresses this point in his response. Contrary to his Carey/Sutton talking points, it takes almost zero money to generate and maintain this list. To claim that making them public makes them useless is to insult our intelligence. MC knew what it was doing when it put a graphic of Alice in Wonderland at the top of this post.
Oh, and Nate, the DFL already has our lists. MC knows this firsthand but let's keep that between us; people feel special if they are fooled into thinking they are part of something secret. Da Vinci Code for Republicans!
The very worst outcome of transparency, from what we can glean from Nate's comment, is that the DFL might spam us.
Oh the humanity! We don't want to pick on Nate in this regard as we heard from other whiners as well. Our response to them all, though, is the same: grow a pair.
Here, however, is what MC does not understand:
Ron Carey, Tony Sutton, hop along Darren and other current leadership (Brian Sullivan, Evie Axdahl etc etc) were thugs fit for Chicago in their conduct toward Ron Paul supporters at the state convention and, to a lesser degree, the national convention. MC knows: it was at both and saw such conduct firsthand. Ron Paul supporters, of which,
putatively, Nate is one, know this as well.
Though he leads with quoting Dr. Paul, Nate never tells the reader that he recently endorsed
1. Tony Sutton
2. Michael Brodkorb.
We assume when he's told by the old guard whom to support for secretary/treasurer MC will get another endorsement letter in its email inbox. Unless, of course, by hocus pocus it is deemed a trade secret.
Last, with attention to detail and degree of logic from the the Tony "I lost Norm's senate seat for him" Trimble school of law, Nate claims MC didn't stand down the hacks. MC could never teach because we don't have patience in the face of such sloppiness.
MC contacted state central delegates using emails that had come into our possession. MC received a certified letter from, yes!, Tony Trimble threatening a lawsuit and demanding we contact him and return all lists. MC did contact said office. MC never heard from legal counsel for RPM (can we review how legal work is ladled out at the State Central meeting?). The old guard even went after the job of a friend of MC's who used the same list. Stay classy,
you thugs.
We posted about the insanity here: http://tinyurl.com/nfbhyh
This was the stand down mentioned above.
We are amused that an ersatz Ron Paul supporter has openly endorsed his persecutors and claims, somehow, MC lacks the moxy to challenge the established order. We date ourselves when we recall that old cigarette ad about fighting rather than switching.
We trust our readers to figure out who remains fighting and who has switched. As to the motives for switching, MC never overstates the obvious.
May 30, 2009 11:07 AM

http://conservativeminnesotans.blogspot.com/2009/05/mission-accomplished.html

Craig Westover, who proposed to release the delegate list to the delegates themselves at the State Central meeting Thursday May 21:
http://opengop.wordpress.com/


From my Facebook conversations:

Jamie Delton at 8:28am May 30
It was fun Alison. I met some new friends. I'm not a delegate but I am interested in the dividing lines on the state exec board on the issue of sharing delegate contact info (about 400 emails) with the delegates themselves. From observing Craig Westover's presentation on May 21 and from what I've been told, only Dorothy Bill [Doug -ed] and Scott support sharing contact info among the delegates. Perhaps sharing only email/phone info and not address info would be an acceptable compromise. The delegates at some point need to candidly discuss the issues among themselves and they can't do it without contact info. The process should already be started. On the other hand if the intentions of the recent Ron Paul wave of people do not reflect traditional conservative values then it's just as well the longstanding 'throttle' on internal comm be preserved. RP-ites' intentions may be questioned because of specific CD2 activity reported by Janet and because many admit not voting for McCain last November.
Alison Krueger at 8:57am May 30
List minning is always sensitive. I wonder if State Central Dels./Alts. would be willing to get gmail accounts in order to assure privacy and communication. IE. State C. Del#1BPOU16B@Gmail... it could also be passed on to replacements from cycle to cycle. Another good thing would be that the party couldn't control it. I think I'll pass that idea along the pipeline and see if it would be palatable...I suppose the only problem would be to get a volunteer to create the deal. ...

The CD2 activity may have showed the RP-ite's were using the list issue as a political football for short-term gain.

The people below will decide this issue on June 13. I suggest we place on the agenda at least two separate proposals: 1. Share the 400 delegate/alternate list (emails/phones only) among the delegates for limited mutual networking and decision making only. 2. Share the 400 delegate/alternate list with each BPOU Chair for the same purpose before the convention.
[update 5:50PM, 8:43PM 5/30/09]
Nate Hansen CD4 Deputy Chair on Facebook suggests a 3rd proposal: a secure authenticated forum for the 400 delegates/alternates only. This is a good idea which fosters transparency and can be probably be implemented by Joel Carey, MN GOP IT staff, on the existing MN GOP site at little cost.
My FB response:
You misidentify the problem Nate. You have transmitted and stored data. SSL encrypts transmitted data accessed via an https prefixed web address such as a web forum. Security of an SSL forum which might be implemented by the MNGOP IT staff on their domain or on facebook.com, is not exactly what we need. Stored data security (accessed via credentials) may be a useful tool but it is also not exactly what we need.We need MNGOP policy that allows for mutual use of the list for SCC delegates to communicate with other delegates and directs IT to set up credentials and SSL or allows a distribution list. The policy should be complete with no-forwarding policy, credential responsibilty etc. If there exists such policy already - perhaps from the RNC - then it should be disclosed.
[update 5:50PM, 8:43PM 5/30/09]
http://www.mngop.com/ContactUs.aspx

Ron Carey, State Chair
Dorothy Fleming, State Deputy Chair
dorothy@mngop.com 651-842-0100 www.deputydot.com
Tony Sutton, Secretary/Treasurer agsutton@msn.com
Brian Sullivan, Republican National Committeeman brianfsullivan@hughes.net
Evie Axdahl, Republican National Committeewoman leaxdahl@aol.com
Congressional District 1
Steve Perkins, Chair
Duane Quam, State Vice Chair
Congressional District 2Janet Beihoffer, Chair
Congressional District 3 Rick Weible, Co-Chair
Margaret Cavanaugh, Co-Chair
Congressional District 4Bev Aplikowski, Chair
Bill Jungbauer, State Vice-Chair
Congressional District 5 Carleton Crawford, Chair
Adam Weigold, Deputy Chair
Congressional District 6 David FitzSimmons, Chair
Scott Andersen, State Vice Chair
Congressional District 7Craig Bishop, Chair
Doug Lindgren, State Vice Chair
Congressional District 8Ted Lovdahl, Chair
Kurt Daudt, State Vice Chair